Catapult into Career #2: The Unexpected Catalyst of Becoming a Medium

Walker Bird [00:00:04]:
My Inner Knowing empowering you to find your compass for the journey. We are dedicated to supporting you to rediscover and trust your natural ability to navigate life. Each day by sharing insight and experience through the lens of two professional communicators and their guests, we intend to prompt internal inquiry that supports all those willing to explore a unique path.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:32]:
Well, good morning, Maryann. How are you?

Maryann Kelly [00:00:34]:
I am very well. How are you?

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:36]:
Yeah, good. Really good today. We're glad to have you here with us.

Maryann Kelly [00:00:40]:
Oh, thank you. It's my pleasure.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:42]:
Yeah. So, you know, we've mentioned that we jump right in.

Maryann Kelly [00:00:47]:
Yes.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:48]:
Very curious for you at this point in your life. How would you describe what your inner knowing is? What does it feel like? How do you know if you're there or not there?

Maryann Kelly [00:01:02]:
Well, I would say it's wonderful because to me it's an inner calm. It's also an inner sense of confidence with that calm. So it's unlike, I would say, the more nasty definition of ego. So it's more of a calm confidence, being comfortable in your own skin. Being comfortable, I'll say, outside of your skin, being connected as well.

Theresa Hubbard [00:01:42]:
For you. When did you notice that it was even a thing, this inner sense of knowing?

Maryann Kelly [00:01:52]:
Well, I'm going to give it a two part answer. The one part answer is that I would say more recently in my life, I became aware of it probably around 10 years ago, more consciously aware. And then when I became more consciously aware around 10 years ago, then I looked back and realized, oh, that's what was happening at certain key points in my life. But I didn't really recognize it then as intuition or being connected or being more purposefully guided in that sense. So I would say that my retrospective later in life gave me a perspective more as to what was going on.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:37]:
Yeah, yeah. What do you think brought it to your attention so much more clearly?

Maryann Kelly [00:02:44]:
Well, I was. It was a one of those typical days. I was just out getting the mail and my neighbor across the street, who was in a very similar career as I was, very fact based, etc. And she had mentioned that she thought she was going to a yoga class, but instead some spirit medium was there and she didn't feel like just driving back home, so she stayed and she was absolutely dumbfounded at how accurate this person was. And I really never gave all of that much thought. But since she was so intrigued and she's a hard person to really intrigue, I thought, well, let me, let me just go and check this out. So I went and I checked it out and this particular medium told me things about myself that were never written down, only I would know. And I was really shocked.

Maryann Kelly [00:03:30]:
And so I went back and a few more sessions later he said to me, you know, you can do this, right? And I was like, what? And so he said, do you want to see? I said, sure. And so he put three pictures down in front of me, very nondescript pictures, nothing special about them, people I'd never seen before. And he said, what are you getting about this particular picture? We went one after another and it was really like I was wondering who was speaking because all this information started to flow. This man had spent his career in World War II in the Navy. He fixed airplane engines of airplanes on aircraft carriers. And I went on and on and on. And he had two marriages and then he died of respiratory failure in Florida, et cetera, et cetera. And as I continue and as I'm talking, I'm wondering who is talking? And it's actually, it is me, but I'm wondering where is this information coming from? And then he put another picture down in front of me and a similar thing happened.

Maryann Kelly [00:04:27]:
And I said, oh, you know, this gentleman didn't think very highly of himself. He could have gone on for higher education, but he didn't have a lot of confidence. But he taught a specialized subject to children out of his home, two story home, et cetera, et cetera. And he said, well, that's right. He says, actually that was my uncle and he's. He taught music to children out of his home. And the first picture, by the way, ended up being his father in law who was in World War II and was in the Navy and did. Did fix engines of planes on aircraft carriers.

Maryann Kelly [00:04:54]:
And then the third picture he put down, a similar thing happened. I said, oh, this young gentleman is really suffering. And I paused, I said, but I really can't tell if he's here or crossed over. And that was because he was in a drug induced coma. That's kind of why he felt a little fuzzy to me, whether he was in or he was out. So that's when my awareness really, you know, I got kind of jolted into it in that way. So that's what first happened.

Theresa Hubbard [00:05:23]:
Wow. Wow.

Walker Bird [00:05:24]:
Had you always been, you know, intuitive, just had a sense of things or just had never really noticed until that?

Maryann Kelly [00:05:31]:
Well, I would, I chalked it up to the fact that I would perceive information. I really had chalked it up to the fact that I was grateful that I was born with some good brain cells and I really studied hard and I really worked hard and so I really chalked it up to that. But again, when I looked back and I had started out as an X ray technician out of high school because for family reasons, I really couldn't go to college right away as planned. And I would, I would perceive what was going on with the patient before I got further information saved from the more educated sources that were taking care. And I just thought, oh, well, you know, that was just a perception that I had. But I didn't really put a lot of value on it per se. Then as I proceeded in my business, corporate career, then I. Things really did start to kind of get my attention.

Maryann Kelly [00:06:27]:
But again, in, in my business career, I was always going at such a pace. I really didn't stop to figure it out. For example, I had a gentleman that was sitting in front of me. He worked for, he worked for me at the time. And it was his first day back from paternity leave. It was his first child. And as he sits down in front of me, I'm feeling that something is definitely going awry with his wife's, I'll just say lower anatomy after the birth. And I, of course, this is a very awkward thing to talk about and you know, against all the HR rules and everything.

Maryann Kelly [00:07:00]:
So I said to him, you know, how are you? And he says, oh, doing good. How's the baby? Doing well? And I said, how's your wife feeling? And he just paused and he kind of went like that, like, oh, almost like he was in pain. And. And so I said, well, you know, I didn't really have anything planned for you to do today. It's your first day back, so why don't you just go home and check on her and get her to the doctor if that's what needs to happen. And call me later tonight and let me know if you can come in tomorrow. And if you can't, don't worry about it, we'll figure it out. And so he called me later that night and he said, oh, the doctor said it's really good that I got her there, that she was all infected.

Maryann Kelly [00:07:34]:
So things like that were happening.

Theresa Hubbard [00:07:37]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:07:38]:
And where again, something just told me I need to say to this gentleman in a very professional manner, you know, maybe you really should go back home and, and check on things. But there was a variety of those types of situations that kept happening, whether it was health related or something else related. And again, because of the pace of the work place, I really didn't stop to really think about it a whole lot.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:07]:
Sure. I Could see that when we walk in the world that way and it's what we experience, we may not recognize that other people don't have similar experiences.

Maryann Kelly [00:08:24]:
Yeah, I. Again, I just, you know, it was just another thing to handle through. Through the day, to show some compassion to this, you know, young dad coming back from his first. And I just moved on with the rest of my day.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:37]:
Right, right.

Walker Bird [00:08:39]:
Could you take us back to this? You're sitting with this medium and he says you can do this too. Was that a knowing on his part that you had a, you know, a talent for this or was it something else?

Maryann Kelly [00:08:57]:
Well, I think that to answer your first question, I think, yes, I'm going to add a part 2. His philosophy as well as mine is that, though we all can do it.

Walker Bird [00:09:09]:
Right.

Maryann Kelly [00:09:11]:
So I will answer yes, but I just feel ethically, it's important to add the second part as well.

Walker Bird [00:09:17]:
Sure. I didn't. I. The way that I took it when you originally said it was that he was just like, yes, you can do this too, and have a sense. And then when I asked the question, all of a sudden I started to think, well, maybe he knew already. But it was, you know, when that started flowing, was there a. What did that feel like? You know, all of a sudden this information is coming. It seems like it's from a different source.

Maryann Kelly [00:09:42]:
Well, it is. It was bizarre. It was absolutely bizarre. And then the. And then that experience just compounded over and over again. Because around that same time, I was decided to try ballroom dancing, which I had never tried before in my life, going through a little spontaneous bucket list, shall we say? And I'm standing on the ballroom floor and I know nothing about this at all. In a moment of stillness because I'm waiting for the lead, then this rush of information from, you know, another source on my brain's not generating is just flooding through. And then the more that I took these ballroom dance lessons, which were enjoyable in and of themselves, the more that this information that wasn't generated by me kept coming in.

Maryann Kelly [00:10:29]:
And then I started to validate it with the people that it corresponded with, and it ended up being true and helpful. So then everything just compounded from that point forward.

Theresa Hubbard [00:10:42]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:10:43]:
So what do you think the. The relationship is between starting ballroom dance and additional flow?

Maryann Kelly [00:10:50]:
Yes, the relationship is that I was probably, for one, since I was probably three or four years old, actually standing still and quiet, as opposed to doing 80, you know, 80 things a minute or whatever, you know, going at a very rapid pace, as is the case when, you know, Any of us are employed, but especially in, in the business world, at that point in my career, I had quite a bit of responsibility, et cetera. So instead of trying to process so many things, you know, concurrently, what's happened in that meeting that just ended, what am I doing now? What's going on in the next meeting? Where do I have to be tomorrow? What flight do I have to catch? Etc? I was just standing there waiting for the lead because I didn't know what to do. So as I was absolutely still with nothing else really going on but to wait, then the flood came.

Walker Bird [00:11:44]:
Fascinating. Nice.

Maryann Kelly [00:11:49]:
So I gave it space.

Theresa Hubbard [00:11:50]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just makes me think of how we don't allow much space in our lives.

Maryann Kelly [00:12:01]:
No, no. I also credit the. The two ballroom dance teachers who are not only exceptional in their art and in their craft of both knowing how to be wonderful professionals in their own art of ballroom dancing and as teachers, but as people. They are two of the most genuine people on the planet that I was fortunate to meet. And I think that the, the compassion and the kindness and the acceptance that they exude on a daily basis also made it very easy for me to accept this very bizarre set of information that was coming in.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:47]:
And so right now on your journey, how are you incorporating what you've learned about yourself and sharing with people? What awareness has come to you? What does that look like for you?

Maryann Kelly [00:13:04]:
Well, I would say that to answer that question, I have to give Tina Zion a lot of credit because then I started to, because with my personality is such that I had to figure out what was happening and especially because I was a real skeptic that was, you know, trying to actually disprove what was going on because I just couldn't really believe it. And then the more I tried to disprove it, the more I proved it, actually. So then the more curious I got. And so I was seeking then very reputable mentors space because there's unfortunately a lot of imposters. And so I was very fortunate to find Tina and to answer that question, then I took all of her courses. Some of her courses I took more than once because they were just so profound. Read all of her books and actually am still involved with her mentoring today and through, I would say, her guidance and leadership. What it's like for me today is that this is the happiest chapter of my life because I get to use all of my skills, whether they are associated with mediumship, mentorship, business, etc, and actually, you know, at the time when I was coming out of high School.

Maryann Kelly [00:14:19]:
And I was not thrilled about working as an X ray technician at the time because I wanted to go to college like my friends were going to college. But all that medical training, and I had worked for eight years in a doctor's office as well, but all that medical training as well. Not that I'm a physician, but it all came full circle because now I'm at a point in my life where I am using all of the skills.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:42]:
Yeah, yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:14:44]:
So it's. So to answer the question, it's the happiest chapter in my life. It's the most fulfilling as far as having impact. I mean, I'm very grateful for my corporate career. I worked hard. I was rewarded. Well, I achieved a lot, too. For the companies and the employers that I had the privilege of working for, this is, though, much more personal at an individual level.

Maryann Kelly [00:15:07]:
And I would say that I also have the opportunity to really customize every session for that particular client in that moment.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:19]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:15:20]:
And that freedom of delivery is wonderful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:27]:
Yeah, I hear that. When you think about. You had mentioned earlier, an imposter, what are some things that you feel like people would benefit from paying attention to if they're stepping into exploring this, whether it's for themselves as, you know, learning more, or for themselves as, like, a client of someone?

Maryann Kelly [00:15:55]:
Well, some of the obvious things would be to make sure that you can find references, just like you would check out any other profession as well. I also think that it's not the best indication, if you're working with somebody that makes you feel pressured, that you must do this, especially if it's, you must only eat this, you must only eat that, you must dress this way. Very controlling. I think that those are some red flags about that. And, you know, I think that the. The biggest part of my role is to make people feel safe. This is a safe, sacred place. And the moment that someone doesn't feel safe in that space, I think is an opportunity for that person to exercise their own intuition that this isn't a right fit.

Maryann Kelly [00:16:53]:
Maybe the person's not necessarily an imposter, but this isn't the right fit.

Theresa Hubbard [00:16:57]:
Yeah, sure, sure.

Walker Bird [00:17:02]:
How do you progress or.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:03]:
No, go ahead. I'll remember.

Walker Bird [00:17:06]:
In, in doing what you do, are there times where you are in and out of touch with source or guides? I don't know how you describe it during a session. And if. If there are times when you're in and out, how do you know the difference?

Maryann Kelly [00:17:24]:
Okay, great question. I love it. So I would say that. When I would say that I'm Connected all the time. However, when people say, when people ask me a similar question of that, my answer is I, I make every human effort to not alter the input because it's not for me to alter, as I say, sometimes the most bizarre things to people. But when I, when I do that, it typically then resonates. It sounds bizarre to me, but it resonates for the client. And that's what, what, that's what matters.

Maryann Kelly [00:17:56]:
So I don't use my brain to interpret or to modify the information. I do use my brain, we'll say, in 3D space, to formulate an English sentence that will be able to be understood by the receive, the receiver, the client. So in that way, I'm in 5D connected, getting the information. And I'll use my brain and not for creating the information, because I'm not creating it, I'm receiving it. But I will use my brain to then I guess solidify the information for delivery, for best delivery to the client so that it is understandable. Because as the information comes into me, it can be a series of pictures, words, phrases, feelings, colors. It can be quite a menagerie of types of input. So if I, if I literally said what I was getting, it would make no sense to most people.

Maryann Kelly [00:18:53]:
Well, what does yellow mean in this concept? What does cow mean? You know, apple? What does this have to do with anything? So, but there's, I would call it my energy Alphabet, which is how I progressed. To get back to your question is that I noticed over time as I was doing this work, that divine and sacred guidance was starting to set patterns for me. Whenever I give you this particular symbol or phrase or color or whatever, it always was meaning the same thing, thing. Of course, the context is very different by person. And to me, that became what I call my energy Alphabet so I could get more information faster. Right. You know, for, for those who may be listening, you remember the old days of, of stenography, shorthand, but there's funny little squiggles, you know, could mean a paragraph. That's an exaggeration, but you get the gist.

Maryann Kelly [00:19:45]:
So to learn this and to build upon it, that is one way. And I call it my, my personal energy Alphabet. I think everybody has one. And then on top of that, the complexity of the type of work kept increasing, which enabled me then to take that guidance that I was getting into, offer more services.

Walker Bird [00:20:09]:
Interesting.

Theresa Hubbard [00:20:10]:
Yeah, yeah. Do you feel, feel like, Maryann, that there were, other than lots of practice, were there other people or other materials that you felt like were really helpful for you? In learning more about yourself and this experience for you.

Maryann Kelly [00:20:36]:
So I. I would say just to go back to finding a couple of really helpful mentors. Key, I think that. I think to be really ethical and good in this profession, I think you have to work on yourself first and address some. We all have issues, baggage, whatever you want to call it, and to make sure that you're addressing that so that doesn't get in the way of the services you're trying to provide your client. And I also think that. I think that reading, you know, some books and going through some classes where they are really doing role plays and you're. You're allowed to read each other, I mean, obviously with permission, or if you're not in a.

Maryann Kelly [00:21:34]:
In a formal class setting. The other thing that I did was I would tell people and say, can I do this practice reading on you? So that they would really give me their. Their, you know, unabashed, honest feedback.

Theresa Hubbard [00:21:46]:
Okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:21:48]:
As to what I got right and what I didn't get so right because it is energy. I call this working with the language of energy. And just like I wouldn't be fluent in Mandarin overnight, I'm not going to be fluent in the language of energy overnight. I feel blessed that I was able to adapt to it from what I understand from my mentors rather quickly. At the same time, because of the ethics involved and how clients are really hanging on to every word, I feel it's all the more important in terms of what words you use, not only for the delivery of the service, but because each word has an energy as well.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:25]:
Yeah. So you said the language of energy. Would you speak more about that?

Maryann Kelly [00:22:31]:
Sure. So when I try to explain this seemingly nebulous concept to. To others, I said, well, we have the human language where we use our voice, and for most of my clients, we're speaking English. But I do work with clients globally who speak other languages as their first language. I spent eight years, you know, studying Spanish. So, you know, anytime we're learning a language, we have to figure out the basics. Well, gee, is the Alphabet even the same? And then, you know, similar to when we're little kids, we do words and phrases and paragraphs and on and on. Well, it's similar with the.

Maryann Kelly [00:23:05]:
To me, the language of energy. So at first, when information started to come in, it was more factual, like when that first medium, you know, had me do some practice readings right in front of him. And I got the person and the profession and some of the key points in that person's life. But just like any Language, there's nuance, and there's a wealth of information that's in that nuance.

Theresa Hubbard [00:23:29]:
Right?

Maryann Kelly [00:23:30]:
And so, for example, when I'm getting a feeling that there is something hot going on with this person, is it hot because this person just got done running, you know, after a run, before the session? Or is this hot because there is so much anger? So the nuance can make the world of difference, just like in the English language or in any language. So the language of energy, there is so much that can be gained in terms of what is the texture of what you're feeling, what is. Is the composition? Is it hard, is it soft, is it vascular, Is it not? Is it flowing? Is it not. Is it. Does it have a smooth edge or a raggedy edge? I mean, these are just a plethora of things that flood in. Now, all of that didn't flood in day one, but over time, just like when we're learning the English language, we get more sophisticated with adjectives and adverbs and our use of nouns and verbs get more specific to really further accurately describe what's going on or what do we want the listener or the reader to take away? Well, it's similar with the language of energy. So did I answer that question?

Theresa Hubbard [00:24:40]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, you know, for me, I think of things in terms of energy, not visually, but just. I don't know, it's flowing.

Maryann Kelly [00:24:57]:
It's always. It's like oxygen it's always around us, right?

Theresa Hubbard [00:25:01]:
Always. And so I think it's just something that I've always. Has always been a part of me. But hearing someone say the language of energy is unique to me. And so I was curious what you were.

Maryann Kelly [00:25:14]:
Well, I wanted to make it relatable because I. I do believe that everyone can do this. It takes some practice, but everyone can do it. And I want it to be accessible, not only if they. Even if they don't ever want to do it for someone else, just for themselves. I mean, I really wish that in a way, that I had learned this much earlier in life. Life might have been a lot easier. But, you know, I also.

Maryann Kelly [00:25:39]:
I also understand that there's a divine plan and that when I had my own awakening, of course, then I also realized I had this plethora of life experiences to draw upon, which makes me attractive to corporate clients because they can see from my, you know, my LinkedIn profile and things like that, oh, she really has been in the trenches. She really has been there on the front line. So, you know, now, of course, again, my retrospective is a perspective that there's a reason why I went through the stages I went through and now things have come full circle.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:13]:
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Walker Bird [00:26:16]:
Tell us about the transition. You know, you're knowing around the transition from the corporate world to doing what you do now.

Maryann Kelly [00:26:23]:
Well, I'll be very blunt. I was scared.

Walker Bird [00:26:26]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:26:29]:
It's not that I was scared of what I was learning, actually I was intrigued, but I wasn't frightened. But what, what I was scared about was that I'm from a very humble background and I worked like a lot of people, I worked very, very hard to get out of a socioeconomic setting that wasn't conducive to a college education and certainly not to a corporate career with the types of positions ended up holding. And I had also made a, my husband and I also had agreed that we were both going to work in our respective corporate jobs until a certain age and then that was going to be part of a retirement plan, etc. Etc. And I'm married to a wonderful person and I really also didn't want to, you know, go back on that agreement. And so I was, I was very afraid to walk away from a very hard earned 33 plus year career in the corporate world that I had really worked hard to, you know, get to that point. And especially because going into this path there's not really a, you can think there's a plan, but. Well, there is a plan, but you may not know what it is yet.

Maryann Kelly [00:27:38]:
And, and I would, was going from a six figure income to zero because you know, it's not like you get a massive clients overnight. And it's a, it's a whole, it's a whole different term, it's just a whole different basis as far as dollars. And so I really had to take a deep breath and it took me a couple years actually to do the transition because number one, during that two years I was doing a lot of mentoring, meaning getting mentored.

Walker Bird [00:28:13]:
Sure.

Maryann Kelly [00:28:14]:
I was doing a lot of training in Tina's courses and some others to really see, well, how proficient am I, am I supposed to be doing this just for me? Am I supposed to be doing this to help others to figure that out? And so the transition, the more I got into the transition, I would say then the easier it got because you know, the further you get away from what you, the dock, if you will. Okay, the ship has left the dock. There's really no point in looking back, you're going forward this way. And for, for a while I had been worried about what are people going to Think they're going to think Maryann just nuts. You know, she had this stellar career. She was really known for being, you know, on her. On her game and, you know, focusing on the facts, etc. Etc.

Maryann Kelly [00:29:04]:
To this. But that really dissolved because it came down to. Actually, it was rather humorous because when I started to tell people who had worked with me for quite a while, either they weren't surprised, or they might have been surprised, but they cared about me enough that they were like, are you happy? Great.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:24]:
Yeah. Yeah. I think about it.

Maryann Kelly [00:29:28]:
And actually, some of the people that I used to work with actually became clients because they were interested in. In this, but they never really knew anybody they felt was reputable.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:39]:
Sure.

Maryann Kelly [00:29:40]:
I had had a good reputation when I had worked for them, so some of them actually became clients.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:46]:
Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine that your energy was really clear once you made that choice.

Maryann Kelly [00:29:54]:
Yeah, yeah, Once. Once you make the choice, I mean. But I. But I want to be, you know, upfront as well. I mean, I. It. I was nervous. Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:30:01]:
It's. It wasn't the easiest thing for me to just walk away from the known that I had spent decades creating.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:09]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:30:10]:
You know, and I have to give a lot of credit to my husband as well, who took it really in stride.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:16]:
That's really nice.

Maryann Kelly [00:30:17]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:19]:
How do you care for yourself doing this work, Mary?

Maryann Kelly [00:30:24]:
Well, I would say that to. To do this work, you have to really be mindful of your own health. Because what I've really learned is that if I don't take the time to take care of my health, then I can become vulnerable, just like we all can, to anything. Sure. But then if I'm not taking care of myself and I'm not at my best, then I don't feel it's ethical for me to do the work because then I can't be as sure about the clarity in which I am receiving the messages or the information, and then that is not fair to the client.

Theresa Hubbard [00:31:03]:
Yeah. Do you have, like, a daily routine that you do to care for yourself?

Maryann Kelly [00:31:08]:
Yeah, I mean, I open and close the day every day with my guides, who I'm very grateful for. For having divine and sacred guides. I do more physical activity now than ever. I still do ballroom dancing, and I compete nationally.

Theresa Hubbard [00:31:24]:
Wow.

Maryann Kelly [00:31:25]:
Wow. And that's. That's a great way for me to keep, I'll say, all systems clear and moving. Shall we speak? And. And of course, it helps. The. The. I still have the same two teachers that I had when all this was unfolding, and they may not have understood it.

Maryann Kelly [00:31:41]:
But they were very supportive.

Theresa Hubbard [00:31:42]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:31:43]:
As well. And. And I would say that I probably have a better diet now, too, than I had before. I still enjoy my ice cream. I'm going to confess. I still enjoy my.

Walker Bird [00:31:57]:
I feel you. I enjoy it too much.

Maryann Kelly [00:32:01]:
I still enjoy my ice cream. You know, I. Yeah, yeah. Some things aren't negotiable in chocolate. And ice cream still. Yeah. Still on the menu.

Theresa Hubbard [00:32:15]:
Oh. When you think about people developing their inner knowing, are there things that come to mind that you feel like you could share, you know, to encourage people?

Maryann Kelly [00:32:35]:
Yeah. I would say that when you might be hesitant about going to those deep, dark places inside which we all have, it's. It's so much less scary than you may think. Or even if it is as scary or worse, it's so much better on the other side coming out.

Theresa Hubbard [00:32:55]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:32:56]:
That it's worth. It's worth the journey going in.

Theresa Hubbard [00:32:58]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:33:01]:
Because you really do get a lot more clarity for your own life's purpose. I think you also are really able to heal and to move forward. I think it makes it made me, anyway, more compassionate as well.

Theresa Hubbard [00:33:18]:
Agreed. Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:33:20]:
What's your advice for being able to continue on the. When you're going into those dark spaces to get through? I think instead of running away.

Maryann Kelly [00:33:31]:
Yeah. Yes. Yes. I think my advice would be to tell someone that you trust that you're going in. Just like if you're going on a hike or somewhere, you know, sell something, you know, I would. I also think that it's advisable to work with a professional that can help you explore those places. So you're going in with some guidance. And I also think the third thing is that if you haven't already identified who your divine and sacred guide or guides are to do that, because you really do have divine and sacred company.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:14]:
How would you recommend people go about that?

Maryann Kelly [00:34:18]:
So if you get quiet, it doesn't have to be in a deep meditative state, but if you allow yourself to get quiet and you ask for the specific name of your guide, keeping in mind that divine and sacred guide, keeping in mind that that name may not be a name you recognize in English.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:37]:
Okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:34:38]:
You may get. You may get a name and you may spell it phonetically, and that's fine. And then after you get that name, there is a way, and this is going to be a strong word, but it's intentional. You actually interrogate that guy to make sure that you're. What you have gotten is truly a divine and sacred guide anyway. And that's probably another conversation in and of itself, probably. But anyway. But at any rate, you just want to make sure that you are truly getting divine and sacred guidance.

Maryann Kelly [00:35:05]:
And. But everyone has at least one, if not more guides that are available to them, and they are extremely helpful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:35:15]:
Interesting.

Maryann Kelly [00:35:16]:
And you know, when you get to a point where you have. Might have several, it's just like even before the days of caller id, if my husband rang the phone and I answered the phone, I would know it was him without him saying much more than hello, because I know that. Well, similarly, your guides have a voice that you recognize, and I'm not saying you have to actually hear it.

Walker Bird [00:35:36]:
Right.

Maryann Kelly [00:35:37]:
But the sense of that particular guide is specific to the role they are playing for you. So I know when which guide has come in to help for what?

Theresa Hubbard [00:35:48]:
Interesting.

Maryann Kelly [00:35:49]:
Yeah, so it's, it's a wonderful resource and they really are there to be helpful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:35:57]:
Interesting.

Walker Bird [00:35:58]:
Yeah. I get this over the course of my life, you know, sometimes asking for help and not knowing, you know, who I'm really asking that sort of stuff. And, you know, many times there's no answer coming across. And, you know, I'm sure you run into this and training other people or working with other people, what do you, you know, what do you say in those circumstances?

Maryann Kelly [00:36:22]:
So I would say that there's likely an answer coming across. It's just, how do we enable the person to receive it? Right. Become aware of it, to, to perceive it. Okay, perceive it. And so one of the things to, for one of the first things I do is use a little bit of humor, because when, when people are stressed, then they vibrate lower and then it's harder for them to actually receive information.

Theresa Hubbard [00:36:44]:
Right.

Maryann Kelly [00:36:45]:
So I'll say, you know what, we're going to get back to that, that in a second. But in the meantime, I said, just tell me, where's your happy place? Because the first thing I want to do is to get the person to relax. Because if people are tense like, I'm not getting it, I'm not getting, I'm not getting it, well, then they're vibrating lower and lower and lower. Right. And it's going to be harder and harder for them to connect because we have to actually raise our vibration to more easily get the, and receive the information. So I might say something like that to first of all get them to relax or something humorous comes to mind that in the context of the, of the session, that would be well received.

Maryann Kelly [00:37:24]:
I will use some humor in another way. And then after the person's relaxed and that usually only takes A couple of minutes, then I'll say, you know what? We're still going to get back to that. But can you tell me what. What color do you perceive right now? Anything. Just what's the first color that comes to mind? And they don't realize it, but I'm actually starting to help them get the information because these are pops, or I'll say, is there any object that comes to your mind right now? Tractor. Right. Doesn't matter what it is, because what I'm starting them. What I'm starting to help them develop is their energy Alphabet.

Walker Bird [00:37:59]:
Right? Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:38:01]:
It doesn't matter if tractor means nothing to me. It matters that tractor means a lot to them, but they may not realize it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:38:09]:
Right, Right. Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:38:13]:
Like, I had a situation with a gentleman. I'm sorry.

Walker Bird [00:38:16]:
No, go ahead.

Maryann Kelly [00:38:17]:
So I had a situation with a gentleman, and he called and he said, I don't know what's going on. I live alone in my family home that I grew up in, and it's just me now, and everything is fine. The house is secure. I have a security system. And every night when I go to bed, I hear this kind of unusual sound, and it seems like it's coming from a distance, like downstairs in the basement. So I go to the basement. I don't see anything wrong. Nothing's moved.

Maryann Kelly [00:38:45]:
Everything is secure. But I just don't get it. And I said, well, how does that sound make you feel? I said, does it make you feel afraid? And he said, no. He said, it just makes me feel curious. I just want to know what it is. And I said, okay, but see, for first clue, it doesn't make him feel afraid. Okay? And so I said, now he had me on his iPhone, anyway. So I said, can you take me to the basement? And so we went to the basement.

Maryann Kelly [00:39:10]:
And what I saw that got my attention was an old workbench that looked like it hadn't been used in quite a number of years. And on the edge of it, and I'm not a. I'm not a carpenter, so I don't know all the tools, but there was this one thing, and it was actually a vice, and it has that little handle on the end that you would spin, and the vise would open and close. I'm sure there's a special name for that handle. But anyway, and so when I. That got my attention, and I said to him, do me a favor. Can you spin that. That handle on the end of the vise? And he said, okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:39:41]:
And he didn't. But that's the Sound. And I said, who? I said, who used to work at the workbench? And he said, my dad. And I said, and where were you when you were a little boy when your dad worked? Worked down the basement. And it came out that his father worked hard. He worked two jobs and he worked. He basically ran his own little second business fixing things for people out of the basement. So we would come home from work, have dinner, and then the little boy at the time, who is my client now, would go down to the basement and play while his dad was working.

Maryann Kelly [00:40:12]:
But this was the sound.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:13]:
Right.

Maryann Kelly [00:40:14]:
Background that he was hearing a lot. And I said, it's your dad saying hi. And he was like, oh, that makes perfect sense. Sounds so familiar from his childhood. It didn't make him afraid. He was just curious. And I said, it's just your dad saying hi.

Walker Bird [00:40:32]:
Nice.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:32]:
Yeah. That is really nice.

Maryann Kelly [00:40:35]:
You know, and these are, like, the wonderful things that you just can't make up.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:40]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brings comfort and connection and. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. There was another question I was gonna ask. When you are. When you're with someone, how do you differentiate or discern what's theirs and what might be yours when you're getting downloads or.

Maryann Kelly [00:41:22]:
That's great. That's a great question. So let's say I'm working with somebody that is struggling with a work situation, and they're coming to me for mentoring. And as they're describing the work situation, I can really identify with it because I've been through something very similar now. It's kind of. To me, it's like, there's the pond in the middle, and then there's. On the other side of the pond is the client's field, if you will. And on my side of the pond is my.

Maryann Kelly [00:41:59]:
My field, if you will. So I recognize what's going on. Okay. But I'm not going to say that the good thing is that, oh, I can really identify with this. With this pain or the situation or the struggle or whatever, because I went through something extremely similar. And this in that example. Yay. Because it helps to get to a solution a bit faster.

Maryann Kelly [00:42:22]:
However. However, where I stop with that identification is. But how does it feel to the client? Because how I felt about it in this. In a similar or same situation doesn't necessarily mean that's how my client feels about it or how they're experiencing it. So I would say the. The connection on the. What can be faster as far as. Oh, I get that.

Maryann Kelly [00:42:45]:
Okay. And again, part of the energy Alphabet. But how. The. How to Proceed. Is completely specific to that client.

Theresa Hubbard [00:42:56]:
Okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:42:57]:
Is that a good way of explaining it?

Theresa Hubbard [00:42:59]:
Yeah. Do you. The example that you gave about the pond and you being on this side or. And then being on that side, is that something that you learned through your training?

Maryann Kelly [00:43:12]:
No, that came in right now. I never used that example before.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:15]:
Okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:43:18]:
That just came on in. So.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:25]:
So, Maryann, as a mental health professional, I mean, I have, you know, people that ask me questions, you know, about mediums, you know, particularly after the loss of someone, you know, to them. And so it's not something that I really have familiarity with. And so I wonder, you know, if someone was asking about what that experience might be like, you know, for someone or, you know, what you would recommend in a situation like that. You know, are there things that come to mind that you think would be helpful for people when they're.

Maryann Kelly [00:44:09]:
Yes.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:10]:
Okay, go ahead.

Maryann Kelly [00:44:12]:
So the first thing I suggest to people is to try to be as open as possible to whomever comes through from the other side. Because the person may desperately want to connect with, say, their mother or their son. The divine may have a different order in mind. And so my. For example, I say, you may not want to hear from Uncle Fred, but Uncle Fred may have something to say that is important and is as a gateway to the others to follow. So I said, if you're. If you become so specific, I only want to hear from a certain particular spirit. It's like threading a needle and like.

Maryann Kelly [00:44:55]:
Then all the other doors, you're almost like closing off. I said, I would rather you be open to the plethora of information that comes and let the. And let the order in which it comes unfold because the. Whatever term makes sense to the client universe, divine energy, whatever term resonates. They're a lot smarter than me. There's reasons why they are having certain spirits come through at a certain time. So I asked them to. Number one, please be open.

Maryann Kelly [00:45:28]:
Number two is that I asked them to. If I say something and it resonates, great. And if I say something and it really makes no sense to say. To say that my goal is to be accurate and not to make things fit. Okay? But at the same time, I'll say, if it doesn't fit right now, can you just make a note of it? Because it may make sense to you later.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:51]:
Right?

Maryann Kelly [00:45:51]:
And I'm not trying to make it fit, but I'm just trying. Let's just gather all the information, okay? Because sometimes if it doesn't make sense now, it may make sense later. The other thing that, that I'll often suggest to clients, besides being open to who comes through is what they have to say. Now, often what comes through is some words of enlightenment, some advice, apologies come through, but there also can be advice that the loved ones from the other side say that the client sitting in front of me may not necessarily want to hear, but I still have to say it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:46:31]:
Okay. Okay.

Maryann Kelly [00:46:34]:
And it can, it can sometimes be require quite a bit, I'll say, of compassion and diplomacy. I had a, a mom and her daughter come and this was actually in a group setting and they were sitting actually in front of me and as I was standing in this doing a gallery reading and the son came through extremely strongly with so much detail, and the daughter is sitting next to the mom saying, it's him, it's him, it's him. This is great, this is great, this is great. And the mother is like stone faced, like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Now, now, in that, in that situation, because my client is really the spirit crossed over. That's really my client, I have to honor what I'm being told. At the same time, I certainly can appreciate a bereaved mom. So what I did was in that setting is I said, you know what? I said, there's additional information coming through.

Maryann Kelly [00:47:36]:
I said, so I'm just going to re, I'm just going to relay it, but I'm just going to leave it. And I just pointed to my feet. So I'm not forcing any one person to, to take it. Even though the daughter in the front row was still like, Tim, this is great, this is great. But the mother wasn't ready.

Theresa Hubbard [00:47:52]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:47:53]:
So I still honored the spirit and relayed the information, but I just looked down at my feet like, I'm not forcing it on anyone. And then at the very end of the whole gallery, everybody had left and I could see the mother and the daughter like off on the corner and they were obviously waiting for everyone to leave. And the mother came over and she said, said, that was my son. I just wasn't ready. And I said, yeah, it's okay.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:16]:
Yeah, yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:48:18]:
You know, so, you know, while I ask clients to be ready, sometimes they think they're ready. That's why they came to the session. But actually in the moment, it may still. And the reason why is because the particular child took his own life. And that still was just so hard, you know, for the moment that, you know, it was, it was just a self protective mechanism that happened.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:45]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:48:45]:
So, so anyway, I kind of gave an example that was a little bit More at another extreme. But it still raises the point of, you know, just try to be open to what comes through.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:58]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:49:00]:
There's a lot of responsibility in what you do, you know, just as far as then learning over time, the nuance of how to share.

Maryann Kelly [00:49:11]:
Yes.

Walker Bird [00:49:11]:
And I just appreciate the professionalism associated with it. It's just really nice to. To hear.

Maryann Kelly [00:49:17]:
Oh, yeah. I mean, this is really. It really is divine and sacred work, and I really consider it an honor and a privilege, you know, because people are trusting me. So I really have to do all that I can to make it as at least good to. And fulfilling an experience as possible.

Walker Bird [00:49:39]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:49:43]:
So, Maryann, because that hour always goes by so fast, are there things that you would like to share as we are wrapping up?

Maryann Kelly [00:49:53]:
Yes. So if you don't mind, I would like to read my mission statement because it really packs a punch. Yes. Okay. So my mission statement is only positive energies for the greatest good, highest purpose, optimal healing, comfort, closure, and respect are ever to be in these sessions. As associated with divine wisdom, there is respect and not judgment. So all have a voice to be heard and honored. All are accepted to find, live and stand strong in their truth.

Maryann Kelly [00:50:31]:
Surrender is the strength to seek your greatest potential. Waiting is the cherished patience. When the gifts of gratitude and fulfillment await us. We are forever grounded in the trust and knowing that love prevails.

Theresa Hubbard [00:50:47]:
Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:50:50]:
I mean, the word surrender was. And waiting were never in my vocabulary.

Theresa Hubbard [00:50:58]:
Understood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had my experience with surrender. So if you were going to share a hope or a mantra with people, what comes to mind?

Maryann Kelly [00:51:19]:
Well, I would hope that anyone listening to this, that they're. If they took away one thing, it would be to be open to the fact that this thing called energy, the universe being connected, is in fact, real. I am the convert. I am the one that was the skeptic now turned champion. I'm the one that tried to disprove this with, you know, great emphasis and actually. And failed because the more I tried to disprove it, the more I proved it. And to. To be open to the fact that, you know, life can be so much better.

Maryann Kelly [00:51:57]:
And. And there's. There's a different. Another currency in life besides the metrics that I was. I was raised on. You know, there's. There's other currencies of happiness.

Theresa Hubbard [00:52:10]:
Yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:52:11]:
And there's other currencies of. There really isn't a price you can put on, you know, internal peace. There's not a price you can put on fulfillment. Do I Still have bills to pay. Of course I still have bills, you know, but my concern about my life falling apart and me having to go back to my extremely humble beginnings when I was growing up, that fear didn't materialize.

Theresa Hubbard [00:52:37]:
Yeah, yeah.

Maryann Kelly [00:52:40]:
You know, and I never would have thought it, you know, in my mid-60s that I'd be competing nationally in ballroom dance. Never thought I would be a medium and an energy worker. And I'm so glad that I said yes.

Theresa Hubbard [00:52:53]:
Yeah, yeah. It sounds like a lot of fun, Mary.

Walker Bird [00:52:56]:
Yeah. Goodness sakes. If, if our listeners or viewers want to get in touch with you, what's the best way for them to do that?

Maryann Kelly [00:53:04]:
So that's my website. So it's intuitiveservicesinsight.com that's the best way you can reach me. And the email is info@intuitiveservicesinsight.com.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:17]:
Yeah. And we'll have that information in the podcast description too. So easy for people to just click on it.

Maryann Kelly [00:53:24]:
Yes, yes. Yeah, so that's, that's the best way to, to reach me and my website. I made an effort to make it pretty robust. So there's a lot of testimonials, both written and video. There's a lot of information on there because I really wanted it to be as self explanatory as possible so that before you sign up for a session, you can see me on video in a lot of different ways to get a view for what I'm like. I'm pretty much like this.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:52]:
Yeah. I think it's really nice for people to get a sense of you before they sit down with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Walker Bird [00:54:00]:
You've got a really strong positive energy too. The minute we came on, you know, just raised up the. It raised me up. Anyway, I can't speak, but thank you.

Maryann Kelly [00:54:09]:
Yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you.

Theresa Hubbard [00:54:11]:
Yeah, it was really nice. Thank you. Maryann, we appreciate you taking this time with us today just to. To share more about your experience and your knowing, but also the work you're doing.

Maryann Kelly [00:54:23]:
Well, purely my pleasure. So thank you both for having me.

Theresa Hubbard [00:54:26]:
Yeah, thank you. Thank you for joining us today. We are excited to explore life with you. We encourage curiosity, self growth and we strive to be more compassionate every day.