How We Build Self Worth, Lose It, and Reclaim It

Walker Bird [00:00:04]:
My Inner Knowing empowering you to find your compass for the journey. We are dedicated to supporting you to rediscover and trust your natural ability to navigate life. Each day by sharing insight and experience through the lens of two professional communicators and their guests, we intend to prompt internal inquiry that supports all those willing to explore a unique path.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:32]:
Hello. Hello. How are you?

Walker Bird [00:00:36]:
I'm good. How are you?

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:37]:
Yeah, I'm good.

Walker Bird [00:00:38]:
Yeah?

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:39]:
Yeah, yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:41]:
Really.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:45]:
Well. You know, life is really complex and complicated, and I feel like our goal is to really build resilience in our body so we can just keep moving and not get stuck teaching our body that we are going to get to the other side, that the work that we're choosing to do will bring more freedom. Not control. Not more control, more freedom. Yeah. So what are you thinking?

Walker Bird [00:01:31]:
That sometimes I feel like I've got plenty of resilience.

Theresa Hubbard [00:01:35]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:01:37]:
Plenty of practice of being resilient. But then I turn back to what I've talked about before, which is the. The learning and the knowing that it's teaching me and it's advancing my growth as a spiritual being and a human being.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:00]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:02:01]:
All the above.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:02]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:02:03]:
I have to put it in that context or sometimes I can get down. So it's a good place to, you know, to remind.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:13]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:02:14]:
And it's good to get out of a. You know, gets a little victimy, as we say, must I have more. Right. And I think God or the universe or whatever responds better when, you know, we can try to incline our mind to gratitude for what we do have gratitude for the good things that have happened and. And inquiry about what is this teaching me.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:48]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:02:49]:
Yeah. So we were going to talk today about worthiness, which I think is related to all that.

Theresa Hubbard [00:03:02]:
Always. Yeah. I think about how, like, there's. There's a lot of things that we can do in practice that are an important part of our growth. And at the same time, if we aren't working on that, we are inherently worthy. It's difficult to. For those practices to integrate if we don't really believe that we're worthy of them. You know, whether it's taking care of ourself or setting boundaries or choosing healthy relationship or parenting or work.

Theresa Hubbard [00:03:58]:
I mean, I just think, you know, we can. We can build a lot of skills. And I think practicing those are really important. And I believe the integration piece comes with us truly believing that we're worthy of them.

Walker Bird [00:04:18]:
I have a question for you.

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:19]:
Yes.

Walker Bird [00:04:24]:
You've been a therapist for 20 years? Almost.

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:27]:
See, I started my internship Yes. 20 years ago. Okay.

Walker Bird [00:04:33]:
Well, there you go.

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:34]:
Yes. So I would have sat with my first client 20 years ago.

Walker Bird [00:04:38]:
Oh, my goodness.

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:39]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:04:40]:
Do you. Can you recall a client that you've come across that reached a point where they always felt worthy?

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:51]:
Oh, I don't think so.

Walker Bird [00:04:53]:
Or another human being?

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:54]:
No.

Walker Bird [00:04:55]:
Okay, so when we're talking about worthiness and. And getting to that point where we really believe it, how is it that we might not believe it all the time?

Theresa Hubbard [00:05:08]:
Yeah. It's such a great question, babe. I think. Who? That's a really complex question for me. Some of the struggle will come up if I'm tired, if I don't feel well, if what's being challenged in me is connected to one of my, like, inherent values. I mean, I think there's, you know, things that will rock me and I have to process internally and externally and remember who I am and get clear on who I am. But that in between time, I forget who I am. But I think I'm always asking myself, who am I? How do I want to walk in the world? How do I walk in the world? How do people observe me walking in the world? And that's not all positive.

Theresa Hubbard [00:06:42]:
There are people who think I am not a nice or kind person. So I have to keep coming back to myself. I get the feedback from others that I believe will be honest with me. Yeah. Who I know will be honest with me. What did Chris say to me Friday night? He said I asked him what he was thinking about a certain situation, and he said, I don't think you want to know what I'm thinking. And I said, I do want to know what you're thinking. That doesn't mean I want to hear what you're thinking.

Theresa Hubbard [00:07:41]:
And then he shared anyway. And I appreciate that level of honesty, even if it's hard to hear. It wasn't surprising what he said, but I'm glad he said it. I think the worthiness piece also comes with practice. You know how, you know, I think about the. The statement, like, you need five positive things to one negative thing. And what?

Walker Bird [00:08:30]:
I just. I. Sorry. Don't like, you know, sayings like that because it's just. It put. It creates a box that, you know, and. And a. Sometimes an insurmountable obstacle.

Walker Bird [00:08:40]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:41]:
Sure.

Walker Bird [00:08:41]:
Well, I haven't gotten the fifth positive thing, so it's just going to be that way. I mean, just.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:45]:
But anyway.

Walker Bird [00:08:46]:
Sorry, Trigger.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:51]:
Yeah, no, and I don't. I don't mean it as a box. I really mean it from a physiological perspective. Our to Me. Our brains are fascinating. You know, that I think that. And the reality is, is that in certain states of being, when certain brain waves are more activated, we are more suggestible. And so if we aren't challenging the negative ourself.

Theresa Hubbard [00:09:27]:
I'm not talking about other people. If we aren't actively challenging the negative, if we're not taking in that information in some way, whether it's through ourself or a guided meditation or being in relationship with people who really can see us and value us and be honest with us and compassionate and loving all the things. Where does the balance come from? You know, how does our. How does our brain and our body know what's true about us if it's not being challenged, whether it's our own thoughts or from an outside place? So that's really what I mean by that statement is are we actively working on that?

Walker Bird [00:10:18]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:10:20]:
That's what I'm thinking.

Walker Bird [00:10:21]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:10:21]:
Yeah. What are you thinking as I say that.

Walker Bird [00:10:24]:
That I. My experience is that we work on worthiness in categories.

Theresa Hubbard [00:10:30]:
Okay.

Walker Bird [00:10:30]:
You know, maybe in intimate relationships, you know, and it may be in being worthy to earn money, you know, or to be abundant. It may be worthy with parents. It may be worthy enough that I can make mistakes as a parent myself, you know, and still be valued by my child. And then the other thing that occurred to me is also that you gotta flex. You gotta work out the worthiness muscle.

Theresa Hubbard [00:11:03]:
Yeah. What are you thinking when you say that? That.

Walker Bird [00:11:11]:
Well, there's different methods to do it. You know, one of the ones that I like, there's this, you know, and I shared it. Have shared it with you. There's somebody that posts. Thank you, universe. And I just love to turn that on when I'm, you know, getting ready in the morning or if I'm driving a long distance. If there's not some other book that I want to listen to, I'll turn. Or I'm feeling like I need to flex the worthiness muscle or just have some.

Walker Bird [00:11:37]:
You know, sometimes it's just like a hug. It's okay. You know, the universe loves you. And. And I. I can't remember the title, otherwise I'd share it. But. And we can put it in the comments because I think it's great stuff and I like the guy's voice.

Walker Bird [00:11:50]:
I think he's Australian or something like that. But anyway, you know, it's just all these different. Just sayings for 15, 20 minutes that reminds me, you know, and I. But I still think what I believe is we're creatures of Habit. And we can fall back into old patterns.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:14]:
Yes.

Walker Bird [00:12:14]:
Regardless of all the work that we've done. And the point, I think, is that the more you come up with tools to continue to remind yourself how worthy you are in so many different ways, the more. The less time that you'll spend down in that old pattern and you'll spot yourself doing it. Oh, that's not who I want to be. It's not how I want to experience the world. There's an emotion coming up for me around this too. It's fascinating, but it's just that part of life where we'll go back to that and it feels familiar. And so you kind of just sleepwalk your way back in.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:52]:
Right.

Walker Bird [00:12:53]:
It's like, oh, wait, I don't do that anymore. Anymore. I'm worth more than that.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:57]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:12:58]:
And pull yourself back up. So if you're exercising worthiness, muscle, or however you want to put it, there's lots of nice ways to say it that are comforting even. You know, I think it's necessary and I think it's just part of our existence, that it's going to continue to happen less and less.

Theresa Hubbard [00:13:15]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:13:18]:
So. So along those lines, I wanted to ask you. There's. Because you've introduced me to this. This stuff in the first place and. And you've got a favorite song.

Theresa Hubbard [00:13:31]:
I do.

Walker Bird [00:13:32]:
And I was hoping you'd share with us.

Theresa Hubbard [00:13:33]:
Oh, yeah, yeah. So if you tell us about it. Yeah, yeah. So about eight years ago, I was working with the family who had lost a child tragically, and they had asked me to facilitate, like a gathering on the first anniversary of their death with friends and family. And I was trying to find music, was going to be outdoors, and I was making it more like ritual, you know, based. Really signifying, you know, the. The power of the gathering in memory. And I can't even tell you how I came across this song.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:39]:
Not at all an artist that I had ever heard of, let alone the song. And what I remember listening to it the first time was that this should be the song that we listened to every night before we go to bed. No matter how old we are from the time we're born until we take our last breath, I believe this is a song that we would all benefit. It would be life changing if this song was a song we listened to every day. Because life is complex and it's complicated and we need reminders. We all need reminders. No matter how much work we have done to keep going, even when we are afraid and that we are loved. And that we are worthy.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:54]:
So I'll read the lyrics out loud. I will have to look at them. So I'm going to turn this way. And the song is called In Dreams by Jai Jagdish. And how I think of it is know you are loved. That's how I. That's what I call it. So know you are loved, Rest in peace, Dream your sweet dreams Till your soul is released.

Theresa Hubbard [00:16:32]:
Know you are loved, Rest in peace, Dream your sweet dreams Till your soul is released. Beloved child, my heart is yours. Beloved child, Go out and open doors with your love. With your faith, with your compassion, with your grace, oh, with your grace. Beloved child, you are the light of the world. Beloved child, go out and spread light to the world. Be strong, be kind, be brave. Know your mind, know that you're divine.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:28]:
Know that it's all right to be afraid. Know you are loved. Rest in peace, Dream your sweet dreams Till your soul is released. What do you think it would have been like for you, having heard that song every night?

Walker Bird [00:18:01]:
I think it would have given a lot of comfort and power, you know, but comfort and a lot of suffering that I had, you know.

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:15]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:18:16]:
Bedtime was usually a sad time. Yeah. And so having a song like that would have been like being held by a mother that loved me and taught those truths.

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:36]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:18:36]:
About us as souls.

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:39]:
Yeah. So. Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:18:45]:
What's the experience like for you when you listen to that?

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:55]:
It makes me think of the lullaby that I made up for my kids 23 years ago, which is similar. Different but similar really in encouraging them to. To follow their path, to know their heart, to dream. And for me, you know, the. The creation of the song came from pain. Sitting in the living room, I can still see it so clearly. My back was to the fireplace and my. I was sitting like cross legged on the floor and one of my sons was sitting next to me and like leaning on me and the other one was trying to fall asleep in my lap.

Walker Bird [00:20:48]:
And.

Theresa Hubbard [00:20:52]:
I was trying to find really, I mean, as I sit here and I think about it, my own value. I was trying to remind myself to live my own life and not a path of shoulds and supposed tos. And it was something that I really wanted them to know. And so it's a song that I don't sing much anymore as my kids are mostly grown and out of the house. But I believe it was life changing for me. What do you.

Walker Bird [00:22:19]:
It's just sweet thinking about grandchildren that you'll probably sing it, but my guess is that your children will sing it to their children.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:32]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:22:32]:
Yeah. Do you want to share words with us? I won't ask you to sing it unless you really want to.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:42]:
It's so funny because I think, could I sing it out loud? That would be brave.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:53]:
Oh.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:55]:
Because there's a whole story I have about that too, you know, that I can't sing. I'm just checking to see if I can find that inside of me. I'm gonna. That's hard. Okay.

Theresa Hubbard [00:24:23]:
Good night, good night, my angel close your eyes good night, good night, my angel go to sleep your heart.

Theresa Hubbard [00:25:01]:
Will know.

Theresa Hubbard [00:25:04]:
The path that you must go. Good night, good night good night, good night good night, my angel close your.

Theresa Hubbard [00:25:38]:
Eyes.

Theresa Hubbard [00:25:42]:
Good night, good night, my angel go to sleep and dream those dreams that only you can make come true Good night, good night, good night.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:28]:
I.

Walker Bird [00:26:28]:
Am so proud of you.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:30]:
Thanks, baba.

Walker Bird [00:26:32]:
And it's beautiful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:33]:
Thank you. A. Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:26:40]:
So tell us about worthiness around being able to do that.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:48]:
Well, there's a lot of conversation going on inside.

Walker Bird [00:26:53]:
Yeah, I know.

Theresa Hubbard [00:26:55]:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what I was aware of was just how tight my throat was, you know, and really just trying to keep it open. I wanted to sing it like, I sang to the kids, too. Like, there's a part of me that's like, well, if you're going to sing it, it needs to be powerful. And I. I'm like, but that's not how I sing it to the kids. Right, sure.

Theresa Hubbard [00:27:30]:
So working through, not judging, you know.

Theresa Hubbard [00:27:33]:
Myself.

Theresa Hubbard [00:27:40]:
Knowing how much I love my children and how I will never stop the journey of being a healthier person because of you and because of them, that it's worth risking even when it's scary. What?

Walker Bird [00:28:19]:
Just real.

Theresa Hubbard [00:28:21]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:28:21]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for being brave and worthy.

Theresa Hubbard [00:28:39]:
Thanks, babe.

Walker Bird [00:28:41]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:28:45]:
What are you thinking?

Walker Bird [00:28:46]:
Just that I think it sets a really good example of how. Of a lot of different things we could teach, but since worthiness is the topic, I just. You have to find a sense of worthiness to be able to do that in this forum especially, and I know just from knowing you how far you've come in, that to be able to share that with the people who are watching us, it's really amazing, and it's a lovely message to give your children, you know, just this gift of. Of being loved, being wished well, Letting them know that they'll find their way, you know, that their heart will know where to go. It's just great. Awesome sauce.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:57]:
Thanks, baby.

Walker Bird [00:29:58]:
Yeah. What are you thinking?

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:09]:
That they'll all find their way.

Walker Bird [00:30:11]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:18]:
Believing in them, loving them, continuing to hold space for them forever.

Walker Bird [00:30:37]:
So how do we find that when we don't. Didn't grow up with parents who gave it to us or believed in us or modeled that for us and. Or had no way to find their way themselves?

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:52]:
Yeah, right, right. You know, it's an interesting question, I think. I mean, what comes to mind first is, oh, my gosh, surrounding ourselves with people who don't always tell us what we want to hear so that we can have an opportunity to grow. I mean, if we just have people that surround us, that agree with us all the time or don't challenge us or avoid us, it's harder. And I'm not talking about abusive, you know, stuff. I'm just, you know, you know, there's. There's a knowing that we have, whether we know that we do or not. You know, I think about it in, like, terms of, like, congruence.

Theresa Hubbard [00:32:01]:
Like, you know, someone can tell us the truth and we may not like it, and it may make us angry or whatever, but there's a part of us that's like, God, right? It doesn't mean that it's out of full level of consciousness that we can grab a hold of it and look at it. But if we truly are, if we truly can recognize that we all have the path of learning, healthier relationship with ourself and others like that, that's part of life, I think that would be helpful because I think, you know, because we don't have a lot of good examples, that we just reinforce shame in ourself about all the things we don't know or, you know, we should have known or supposed to have known or whatever. So I think we do a really good job reinforcing shame, which doesn't help. And so can we, can we change that story? And I know I talk about it in other things, things about, you know, if we could just view life as an experiment and it's just practice, practice, practice, that would be helpful. And then seeking resources that we're unfamiliar with, you know, whether that's books, audio books, you know, podcasts.

Walker Bird [00:33:31]:
Sure.

Theresa Hubbard [00:33:33]:
I think there's a lot of resources out there, I think, reminding ourselves that no one person has the answers for us.

Walker Bird [00:33:42]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:33:43]:
That we're too unique of individuals for one person to really, you know, provide all that. You know, I have some clients that are, you know, long term, that I've seen on and off throughout the years, but I'm always offering them other resources. And I'm never going to stop growing. And so I think about, you know, like, Someone who shoot for sure, 20 years ago. Whew, that's a lot to think back on, where I was when I started seeing clients, but 15 years ago, it's like, man, I am not the same therapist at all. Everything that I've stepped into and explored, and I'm always encouraging that with my clients. Yeah, read that book, try that class, go on that retreat. You know, do something you wouldn't normally think that you would do or could do.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:46]:
You know, find your edge. Just keep exploring. And I think just by exploring, we find more of our worthiness. Because our world's bigger when we explore.

Walker Bird [00:35:02]:
Sure, yeah, yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:35:06]:
Experiencing different people and just having different experiences, period. Finding our edge, finding our competency. You know, what am I really capable of doing? Because I don't think most of us have a clue what we're capable of doing. And so I think it's easy to sit in unworthiness because we have no idea, but we don't think it's very much. You know, I have a client that I was working with today who we were talking about that, you know, really like, following your dream. And I was on social media earlier and this picture came up and it said, don't think you deserve the job. Apply for it anyway. Don't think your article is good enough.

Theresa Hubbard [00:36:03]:
Publish it anyway. Don't think they'll reply to your email. Send it anyway. Don't self reject. And so anyway, I sent that to them and there were. And they were like, well, that seems really applicable today.

Walker Bird [00:36:22]:
And when they say, well, you talk a lot, you can show them this episode, Right? Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:36:32]:
So I think worthiness is. It's just a lifelong part of the journey, I believe, but I think it has to be an active part. I don't think worthiness just appears. I mean, does that make sense? I mean, I think, you know, people can appear to feel worthy, but I think often that's performative. It's not really, you know, congruent with how they see themselves. It's just maybe they were taught to walk in the world that way, but that doesn't mean that they actually feel worthy.

Walker Bird [00:37:04]:
Yeah, I think you can practice it, fake it till you make it, but I also think what you're saying, it makes sense to me that the breadth of experience, of life. Right. Pushing your boundaries, finding your edges. I think what you're saying, tell me if I'm not getting in, but I think what you're saying is that it's kind of like what they say about happiness. You know, if you chase happiness, you Know it won't come, but if you. If you sit and. And wait for happiness, it'll come rest on your shoulder like a butterfly. Right.

Walker Bird [00:37:38]:
And I'm. But this requires some more effort than that. But I think that it is like the affirmations, I think, are a direct line to worthiness, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. The other part is this expansive, you know, practice of life that can, like, organically, worthiness grows out of all those things.

Theresa Hubbard [00:38:02]:
It can.

Walker Bird [00:38:03]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:38:03]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:38:04]:
Or it can.

Theresa Hubbard [00:38:04]:
Right, right.

Walker Bird [00:38:05]:
And if you're. You're putting the intention behind it, too, with the affirmations or beautiful, you know, lullabies or songs that all of that can come together to start, you know, helping that grow and help you stay in that space. Yeah. You also mentioned earlier, we were talking about. It was mirror exercises. Just. I want to throw out some other tools. What are mirror exercises?

Theresa Hubbard [00:38:29]:
Yeah. So I think we talked about this on another episode. There was a woman that did it with us. I had a retreat, like, seven years ago, and. And she had us. Or asked us to come back to her room, and she had us look in the mirror in our eyes compassionately and gently and say, I love you. And I remember doing it and just crying. Crying.

Theresa Hubbard [00:39:01]:
And. And I suggested it to someone today. Their affirmations were, I didn't do anything wrong. And I'm not asking too much, because what I hear underneath their language when they're talking are those beliefs that they did do something wrong and they are asking too much, which are very common negative cognitions that we carry over from childhood. I'm not good enough. I'm not lovable. I don't deserve. I mean, there's.

Theresa Hubbard [00:39:37]:
There's a lot. And so for me, you know, and, you know, we talked about. It's not. You're not just checking the box when you do this. You know, you're going in, getting soft, gazing at yourself in the mirror and just allowing the emotion to come that comes with it. So.

Walker Bird [00:40:02]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:03]:
What are you thinking?

Walker Bird [00:40:04]:
That is hard, and it's shocking. If you do. If you're serious when you do, if you're really seeing what this is about, it's. It's like, whoa, I can't believe that was that powerful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:16]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:40:16]:
Of an experience. Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:19]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:40:20]:
I like it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:22]:
They're powerful. You know, I think about that. Our body needs to hear us say it.

Walker Bird [00:40:35]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:36]:
I think it's a different level of integration that can happen when we look at ourselves and say those words.

Walker Bird [00:40:46]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:48]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:48]:
What do you think? You know?

Walker Bird [00:40:49]:
Well, I was thinking. I think it was Mel Robbins, that were the high five in the mirror as well, that came from. But, you know, just. You can't help but smile when you give yourself the high five in your mirror. And it's another way of saying, you got this, and it's powerful stuff and. But. And the rest is too. It's just really.

Walker Bird [00:41:13]:
I don't know. I like the conversation because it's kind of a holistic approach to how do we get there.

Theresa Hubbard [00:41:19]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:41:20]:
And there's. There's so many things that you can do to start building it, making it grow.

Theresa Hubbard [00:41:26]:
Yeah, absolutely. So many things that we can do. Taking a class, you know, they have those community classes you can take for $30, you know, on all different types of topics. Learning just more about different things. Taking a pottery class.

Walker Bird [00:41:51]:
Sure. That's immediately what I was thinking. It's like, hey, I can. I can do something. Look at this.

Theresa Hubbard [00:41:56]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:41:57]:
Makes it grow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Painting glasses.

Theresa Hubbard [00:42:02]:
Yeah. One of the. All the boys did Boy Scouts, and, you know, they all went through their own period of hating it, some more than others. And it was the only thing that I. What I would call my silver bullet, like, the only thing I'm going to require you to do. And it wasn't alone. I was involved. I mean, I did high adventures, I did summer camp, I did winter overnights.

Theresa Hubbard [00:42:35]:
I did that. Did all the things. And. But what I would tell them was that as a parent, I cannot expose you to all the different people and all the different opportunities that you will get exposed to in Boy Scouts. There was just so many things I got to try over the years to learn. I mean, gosh, you think about Cameron, you know, in the trap shooting, and they go out and do that. I don't remember how old he was the first time he did it, but it was high school, so, you know, maybe 15 or 16. And he hits 22 out of 25 clays the very first time.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:21]:
He had no idea.

Walker Bird [00:43:22]:
Sure.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:22]:
None. That he could shoot like that. Yeah, right.

Walker Bird [00:43:25]:
Builds confidence, promotes worthiness.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:29]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And so for me, it's not something I would have ever have taken him to do. It wasn't something I had ever done until later. But even if he hadn't been so skilled at it, he would have learned something about himself in the experience.

Walker Bird [00:43:54]:
Sure.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:56]:
Maybe that he liked shooting, maybe that he didn't. Maybe he appreciated the function of a gun, maybe he didn't. Maybe he learned something about craftsmanship or safety or responsibility.

Walker Bird [00:44:20]:
Being a teacher.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:21]:
Being a teacher. Right.

Walker Bird [00:44:23]:
Being a student, I can learn this.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:25]:
Right?

Walker Bird [00:44:26]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:26]:
All those things. Right. It's not just about the thing.

Walker Bird [00:44:32]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:32]:
It's all that comes with the thing that we choose to step into. It's all an opportunity for us to learn about ourselves. If we can choose to see it that way, if we can release the need to be perfect, to do it perfectly. I mean, it is crazy, the standards we can hold ourselves to the first time we do something.

Walker Bird [00:44:59]:
But I'm smiling really big as we have the conversation, because it just is like, it's the triumph of the human spirit, really, is what we're talking about. Get out there and live. Live.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:12]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:45:12]:
Find out so much. And worthiness is coming.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:15]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:45:17]:
I like it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:18]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:45:20]:
It gives me hope. Right. And I mean, I've come a long way down that road, but it still is hope for everyone.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:27]:
Yes.

Walker Bird [00:45:29]:
And fun.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:30]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:45:34]:
Thank you.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:35]:
Yeah. Thank you, babe. I love you.

Walker Bird [00:45:39]:
I love you, too.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:42]:
Thank you for joining us today. We are excited to explore life with you. We encourage curiosity, self growth, and we strive to be more compassionate every day.