Exploring 5D Frequencies and Heart-Centered Living

Walker Bird [00:00:04]:
My Inner Knowing empowering you to find your compass for the journey. We are dedicated to supporting you to rediscover and trust your natural ability to navigate life. Each day by sharing insight and experience through the lens of two professional communicators and their guests, we intend to prompt internal inquiry that supports all those willing to explore a unique path.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:31]:
Well, hello.

Walker Bird [00:00:32]:
Hello.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:33]:
Hello, Judith. How are you?

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:00:36]:
I'm good. It's a gorgeous day in the mountains here. Got cold, which I actually like, but.

Theresa Hubbard [00:00:42]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do, too, Judith. We're. Yeah. As you can see, Walker's got his hoodie on today. First time I. Yeah, actually, I noticed.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:00:56]:
I thought, very cool. Really?

Walker Bird [00:00:59]:
Yeah. It's nice and soft. It's like a hug. So I like that part of it, too. And it was a good excuse because it was 32 degrees, I think, this morning here, so. Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:01:10]:
A little bit colder than we were, but about close. We were in the 30s. Didn't freeze yet. We'll see.

Theresa Hubbard [00:01:16]:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, us too. Well, Judith, if we could start, like we often start with a guest for you, at this point in your life, how would you best describe your inner knowing? What it feels like, what it. How you're aware that you're in that space?

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:01:43]:
All right, first of all, it's calm.

Theresa Hubbard [00:01:47]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:01:48]:
And it's like, I sort of. You know, in some ways, it's a bit difficult to put into words in terms of translating.

Theresa Hubbard [00:01:55]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:01:56]:
But it is. There's, like, I. I guess the word words that are coming to me now. It's like an inner coherence. If. And I think that, again, you know, I'd have to really ponder that more deeply. But I think that for the most part, it is pretty much where I live. The.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:02:22]:
Because then I can really notice if I'm triggered, if I go into any kind of reactivity, if there's any kind of inner static.

Theresa Hubbard [00:02:32]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:02:34]:
To pay attention to. And then, of course, as we all do breathe, you know, reconnect. In looking over some of the questions you had sent out, and I was thinking, you know, one thing that I do and have done for decades, actually, is a daily journal when I really. You know, and sometimes it's just like, oh, it's a gorgeous day, and I got up, or I slept or whatever, but whenever I feel activated, I try to remember to put that in the journal so I can go deeper and really get a sense of what's getting pulled up, that. That gets in the way of that easy inner knowing. You know, I think one of the things that. That Our culture has. I'm trying to think of a nice neutral word.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:03:32]:
The one that's coming is live, which I. Let's see if I can rewrite that one. You know, our culture has programmed really us with is the idea that things have to be hard.

Theresa Hubbard [00:03:43]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:03:45]:
You know, in fact, the more connected we are to our inner knowing, for the most part, the easier it is, you know. Now, of course, if you get an intuitive flash that there's going to be a big challenge, then, you know, that becomes activating and triggering and then again, it's trying to go back into that centered space.

Theresa Hubbard [00:04:07]:
Yeah, yeah. Judith, I really appreciate the way that you talked about. If we can understand that, putting the effort in. To being able to recognize and identify and live more in that space, that it's so much more easy for us to identify when we're not. Yeah. I mean, I so resonate with that. You know, I just don't know that I've thought about it in quite that way.

Walker Bird [00:04:47]:
Yeah, Yeah, I liked it too. It's. It's almost in a wanting way for me because I don't think that that's where I am yet, you know, in my. On my path. And so I would guess that there's some of our viewers out there who would feel similar to me, which is. Yeah, I want that. And so the question I've got for you is, do you remember when it was that you. And how it was that you got yourself, you know, moved forward enough to be in that space where you're really incoherence, as you said, and it's when you're not that you take stock versus you're not, and you're trying to get there.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:05:31]:
Okay. Well, I think when I was in my late 20s, I had a spiritual opening and that shifted everything in my life. I mean, I had already. I had become a therapist I graduated from with a clinical social work degree, and I had done some of my own therapy. But, you know, as you know, that's a lifelong ongoing. And I had actually, if you had talked to me prior to this experience I had, I would have said, oh, I'm an atheist. Even though I was very interested in things like astrology and tarot. This was back in the early 70s and it, you know, and it was at a time where culturally our generation was bringing forward weight.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:06:30]:
We're. We're going to break all these stupid rules, essentially. Right. Everything we've been taught, we don't have to pay attention because we have a new way to be. And I don't know that we would have languaged it like that. But that essentially was what was going on. And when I had my opening, I was actually reading a book that's again, stayed with me forever. I actually can probably see it.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:06:55]:
Let's see if I do that. It's Yokananda's autobiography of a Yogi. He was one of the first Eastern spiritual teachers to come to the United States. I think it was in the 20s or 30s. But I would read a few pages and I would do yoga every morning. And then I be. And I was really interested in metaphysical stuff. And then all of a sudden my consciousness started opening.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:07:23]:
And, you know, to be truly honest, that would be in the evening when I'd smoke what we called pot and how they call weed it all. I had started having these incredible experiences. And at that point I understood what grace was. And I understood a couple of things, you know, because I already had a background in psychology, I knew that my ego development was not strong enough yet to be able to fully open to what was coming in for me. But it was strong enough. That one I knew that I had some control over. You know, I slowed things down so it didn't throw me off balance.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:08]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:08:09]:
And. But it was the inner experience that there is just this divine path and that stayed with me forever. It doesn't mean I didn't have, you know, especially probably the next four or five years, maybe longer, you know, when I still had relationship chant challenges, that kind of thing.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:29]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:08:30]:
But it was. It just shifted the way I saw my world. So that made it a lot easier. Walker.

Walker Bird [00:08:39]:
Sure.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:08:40]:
I had that experience and I. I spent a lot of time, you know, journaling on it and paying attention. And so I. It wasn't just like it happened and then I sort of put it away somewhere.

Walker Bird [00:08:55]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:08:56]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:08:57]:
So, you know, and I feel really lucky that I had that so young.

Theresa Hubbard [00:09:01]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:09:02]:
And that was able to stay with me. I also think it's a very feminine path because it, you know, in fact, what you both are doing is what I would consider the feminine path. Living from the inside out. How do you get that? You know, and where we've been in a patriarchal model for probably 6,000 or more years, which is you've got to make things happen as opposed to allowing things.

Theresa Hubbard [00:09:34]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:09:35]:
So, you know, that doesn't mean we don't have to participate and get that inner masculine going as well, or outer masculine. But I do think in that sense it's easier for women. So.

Walker Bird [00:09:49]:
Yeah, no, it's fascinating. It's a. It's a repeat theme that I hear and experience, you know, in the retreat work that I've done, etc. It's, you know, a significant percentage is women. And I think particularly, particularly in the United States, could be several other cultures as well or countries. But trying to balance, you know, masculinity for. And femininity with energy when you're a male is not a clear path. You know, men can react to it as weakness and.

Walker Bird [00:10:30]:
And then conflict can arise and women too, can see it as weakness, which is fascinating in and of itself. So. But I probably digress.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:10:42]:
Well, you know, I think that's really, though, important because it is so much in the way we have raised male and female children. You know, I hope that that's been changing the last 30, 40 or so years.

Theresa Hubbard [00:10:57]:
I believe so.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:10:58]:
I. I would have expected it to change more though, because I still hear the same themes. So.

Theresa Hubbard [00:11:05]:
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting, Judith. This is something I started saying, I don't know, the last year or so, but if I go Google an emotion chart, it's not divided between masculine and feminine.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:11:21]:
Interesting.

Theresa Hubbard [00:11:23]:
Okay, but. But for whatever reason we think it is, you know, but there isn't any research that backs that up at all.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:11:34]:
Yeah, well, again, I'm not oriented quite like that. But what I would throw out is that if we look at the right hemisphere of the brain, which is on the. Let me get this correct. The right side of the body, which comes, you know, that it's the left side of the body. Right brain, left side of the body is connected more to the nonlinear and more feminine energy. And the left side is more focused and what we would consider to be more masculine. We want that imbalance, I mean, just from that sort of quasi scientific way to look at it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:16]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:12:17]:
So I do think the emotions, though, come through that right brain. They come through the feminine part of us or yin part. If we say yin, I think it becomes, you know, then we don't look at it as gender, but rather as qualities that everybody has.

Theresa Hubbard [00:12:34]:
Oh, I like that.

Walker Bird [00:12:35]:
Yeah. When I threw in the word, I corrected myself and threw in the word energy behind masculine and feminine. And I was saying it earlier for that, you know, along those same lines, because I think you're right. So it's, you know, I don't know. The another thing that strikes me is the allowing piece that can go way back in Eastern philosophy. Right. And I can't remember, can't remember who the philosopher is, but it was the art of allowing. And I wish I could remember, but it's just not coming to me right now.

Walker Bird [00:13:15]:
But in any event, I. You know, I'm hoping that we can chart a path for men to participate meaningfully as well. And, you know, in what I perceive as. Hopefully, a big change is coming in the world.

Theresa Hubbard [00:13:31]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:13:31]:
Yes. Yes. And I do think it is happening. But again, I really do think, as you said, Walker, it's harder for men. I remember having a client decades ago, young man, who came into my office, and we were working on a lot of his inner child stuff, and he went back to his family, and I guess a nephew or a young nephew was there, a little boy, maybe one or two, started crying and was told to be a man.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:01]:
Yeah, right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:14:02]:
And he came back into my office. He goes, now I know what my problem is.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:07]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:14:08]:
And was able to really, you know, work with that. But, yeah, you know, it's to think that it's weak to feel.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:19]:
Right.

Walker Bird [00:14:20]:
It sounds ridiculous when we say it in this context, but that's a lot of what we experience out in, you know, in the outer world.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:14:30]:
Absolutely.

Walker Bird [00:14:30]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:14:31]:
And. Well, I think that's what's created so much imbalance. I think that's why we're in the mess we're in, because that's how we've disconnected everybody from themselves. You know, for men, it's. And again, not all men. Some men really were able to have a different experience when they grew up, and not all women. And some women have really grabbed a hold of just the masculine because it feels safer.

Theresa Hubbard [00:14:56]:
Sure.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:14:57]:
You know, so again, it's really not. There's sort of gender generalizations and. Right, right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:07]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:15:08]:
But it's. It's fine. We're all individuals. But now I lost. What. I'm sorry. I just.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:17]:
That's okay.

Walker Bird [00:15:20]:
Well, let's go where the wind takes us. It's a lot more fun that way, actually. And that would be allowing, too.

Theresa Hubbard [00:15:25]:
Yeah, that would be allowing. Yeah, I did.

Walker Bird [00:15:29]:
I had something else. The. You mentioned, you know, these. It's a repeat theme in our interviews of people which. Just coming back to these tools that are out there, the journaling piece and meditation piece, those two seem to be, you know, extremely important. And I love the way Judith, that you put it with regard to your journaling, which is, you know, you'll journal when you're not coherent. You know what I'm saying? Or cohesive. Sorry.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:16:07]:
You know, it's just like, dribbled, like, because I'm doing it.

Walker Bird [00:16:10]:
Yeah, but you're going back to examine and it informs you what has, you know, where have I been. What am I doing about it? What made me get in that space and where am I going now? And it's. It's. There's just so many people have said something similar, not quite that way. But I also, in my own experience, sometimes when I'm the least cohesive, I refuse to write in that journal, which is not helpful for the analysis that you're talking about. So I'm hoping that your point about that helps change my perspective and my resistance, you know.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:16:56]:
Well, you know, and the other thing is that's that sort of also. Cultural perfectionism.

Walker Bird [00:17:02]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:17:03]:
If you can't write it in the way that you think is. Well, or articulate or, you know, whatever words you want to throw in there, then you shouldn't do it.

Walker Bird [00:17:13]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:17:14]:
We wonder why we're so stressed.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:17]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it just makes me think. I mean, that's your job, you know, he. As a trial attorney.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:17:27]:
I guess I was thinking about that, Walker.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:30]:
Right, right, right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:17:32]:
And. And, you know, you have to stay focused for that. I mean, yes. Clearly having that strong, focused, masculine is really important when you're doing something like that. So that also, I'm sure, is a factor.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:50]:
So interesting. You're making me think of so many things, Judith.

Walker Bird [00:17:54]:
Tell us more.

Theresa Hubbard [00:17:57]:
Well, I was thinking about, you know, when you say that, and, you know, Judith's comment about, like, that's necessary as part of your work. Right. But there's that part of you that's so resistant to that. And I think, you know, of the, I don't know, incongruence in your body of, you know, there's that part of you that's wanting something else, but then that part of you that, you know, this work responsibility that you have that keeps drawing you back.

Walker Bird [00:18:36]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:37]:
That's what I'm thinking about.

Walker Bird [00:18:40]:
Fascinating.

Theresa Hubbard [00:18:41]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:18:43]:
So what comes to me from that is it would be, you know, there. There are several possibilities here. Right. One is it's really not aligned with who you are. Another is if you found yourself in a certain level of balance, you'd be able to do that with more ease, you know. On the other hand, you know, you have people that. Whose lives are at stake with what you do.

Walker Bird [00:19:14]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:19:14]:
But I. It's sort of, in a way, just as a therapist, I can't heal anybody. All I can do right. Is put out the best that I know.

Walker Bird [00:19:26]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:19:26]:
For you. If you've got your stuff worked out, and I'm sure you do walk, or you got the facts, sort of, whatever. Then. Then, however, I guess the simple Way to say it is not being attached to the outcome.

Walker Bird [00:19:43]:
Exactly. That's been 2024 for me working on that. 2023 too. But it's been a consistent comment I've made to Theresa. So. Yeah, you're right on target.

Theresa Hubbard [00:19:56]:
Right. We talked about a version of that this morning, actually.

Walker Bird [00:20:03]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:20:03]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:20:04]:
From an inner knowing perspective, Judith, how. How are there other tools that you can think of that are helpful for people to get into more of a state of balance?

Theresa Hubbard [00:20:16]:
Sure. Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:20:18]:
Well, I can. Let me say a few things. And both of them came in at one time. I think I'll start with the one that came last. What I know, you know, in the work that I've done, probably in several lifetimes that we'll take this one for starters, that our psyches are very complex. We have so many different parts of ourselves.

Theresa Hubbard [00:20:42]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:20:43]:
So the. We're going to have resistances. Right. To that getting in that inner knowing place, whether it's from certain levels of programming, whether it's out of fear, whether it's because we've been raised in a way we're not supposed to trust ourselves.

Theresa Hubbard [00:21:01]:
Yes.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:21:03]:
All of the. And, and those all. It's like you can work with it, but they're still going to roam around, they're going to roll around. Theresa, I love that.

Walker Bird [00:21:13]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:21:13]:
And so the trick is to be able to notice when you feel off, to be able to call forward those parts that are working against you. Not out of, you know, negativity, but out of habit or, or safety or whatever there. So. So one of the tools is to begin to notice those shadow parts and develop ways to work with them, you know, to call them forward. And I see them kind of like pesky little kids that are cute little animals that get in the way and you have to kind of work with them to calm them down. So. So that's one technique and that takes practice. I mean, that takes a while for certain.

Theresa Hubbard [00:22:01]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:22:04]:
I, I think another part of the technique is to give yourself credit when you notice you're in a tuned in space. Also things like, okay, so when did I pay attention to my inner knowing? And it really worked out and how you begin to build on that. So that's what pops into.

Walker Bird [00:22:31]:
Nice. Yeah, I like, I think it's helpful. So there's a whole lot that you do beyond being a therapist. And I was hoping you could share some of that with us because I think it ties in pretty directly ultimately with, you know, some of your latest work as far as activating your 5D frequency.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:22:56]:
Yeah. Okay, well, I may have stop me if, if I need to put out more background. Okay. So I'll just kind of go blah and we'll see where we go from there. In terms of, you know, the idea of fifth and I include now six dimensional frequency as where we're evolving to as a species should we choose. Okay. I believe that we are actually designed that way. We have those 12 strands of DNA, classically use only two of them.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:23:35]:
Those other 10 are really important and things are going on now that are helping people sort of spontaneously light those up inside of them so that we become more intuitive and we become more connected to our heart. Because this is really about living from our heart. And the, the primary qualities of the fifth dimension or fifth dimensional frequency are unconditional love, which includes unconditional love of yourself as well. Unity, consciousness, understanding. We are interconnected with everything so that, you know, the Earth is no longer just something that is supposed to support us. It's part of us and we're part of it. As an example. And then unbridled creativity.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:24:30]:
Now those are the three main qualities. They're really simple when we, you know, and what I find like when I'm teaching, because I offer a lot of online classes on that material and really, you know, I don't call it inner knowing, but it, we're all doing pretty much the same thing. We're just coming in from a little bit different lenses, which I think is.

Walker Bird [00:24:52]:
Say that all the time.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:24:53]:
Yeah, right. And it's important because different people need to hear things in a different way.

Theresa Hubbard [00:24:58]:
Agree.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:24:59]:
One of the ways I typically start off any kind of teaching or presentation I'm doing is have people, you know, close their eyes, get into a relaxed state and really focus on their heart and really begin to feel that love building up inside of them and then sending it to everybody in the group, sending it to the world, that kind of thing. But what that's about, what that does is it gives people that inner experience. You can feel it and it actually raises your vibrational frequency on one level. It's so simple. But we've been taught that it simple is not good. You want to get complicated before you get there. But once people have that experience, they can really begin to pay attention to when their heart is open. And when, when our hearts are open, we feel really good.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:26:01]:
Okay. We have that sense of ah, this is this I I. Bliss may be too hard, you know, too much of a word yet, but it is kind of a blissful or ecstatic state because it's, it's open and flowing and loving. I don't know what other words to use on that. So. So my point in that is we've all been in a higher frequency at some time. It might be a moment here or a moment there, or it might be a week or a year. I mean, you know, we go back and forth, up and down.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:26:45]:
That's the transition stage we're in. And that's fine. A lot of times people get into this 5D stuff and they're like, oh, my God, I. Then I wasn't in 5D anymore. I'm like, well, join the group. You know, there's no way we're going to be consistently in those higher frequencies. But the more we practice and the more we notice, the easier it is to sustain that for longer. And part of that also is to be really loving of ourselves.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:27:16]:
When we don't do that, you know, again, our culture is trying to go, oh, God, I'm bad. I should be able to do this versus what really helps. Which is, wow, I noticed that I'm doing really good.

Theresa Hubbard [00:27:31]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:27:31]:
You know, because that's what shifts us, not the coming in with judgment or any variation of that.

Walker Bird [00:27:43]:
Right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:27:44]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:27:45]:
So, you know, that's what I write about. That's what I teach about the way it. The way it moves into my therapy. I've always. I was early on became what was called, and what maybe still is, a transpersonal therapist where we include the whole soul. It's not just the emotions which are really important or the mental way we view things through our intellectual, but to understand we have the soul path and that the culture has been designed, frankly, to keep us away from that and therefore to help people reconnect with that which has to all come from their inner knowing. And when I teach, large portions of my classes are doing meditations for people, guided meditations, where people connect with that themselves.

Theresa Hubbard [00:28:41]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:28:42]:
Because, you know, I can tell you, but if you don't experience it in your own way, it doesn't. I'm sure you found this in the. The retreats that you are. Oh, yeah, right.

Theresa Hubbard [00:28:53]:
Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. So much. I mean, to me, all of what we're doing in the retreats is experiential work. Yeah, yeah. Yes. It would be nice if we could think our way through all of it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:12]:
Right. But we really need to experience it.

Walker Bird [00:29:16]:
Well. Yeah. Sometimes trying to think your way through all of it is counterproductive anyway.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:22]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:29:23]:
What I have found about that, because I can. I connect the dots cognitively for my students And I connect the dots cognitively in my books. So it's not that you give up thinking.

Theresa Hubbard [00:29:37]:
Right, right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:29:38]:
It's just you have a different hierarchy, if you will, thinking supports what you found internally or what, you know, the, the part of you that has connected to that, that really that internal divinity that knows versus, you know, thinking that we should think first and the feelings don't count.

Walker Bird [00:30:02]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:30:03]:
But you know, one, one really simple thing, though, that makes me very optimistic. I'm, I'm an optimist anyway. But it used to be back in the day, people would say, use your head. Right now, people go, listen to your heart. And that's really moved into mainstream.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:23]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:30:23]:
Language, even if people don't know quite how to do it, which is fine. We're all learning.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:29]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:30:30]:
Just that shift in language itself is really. Makes me very hopeful.

Theresa Hubbard [00:30:36]:
Yeah, yeah, I agree, Judith. It's interesting. When you said that, I was thinking, and so much the last few years, what I am exposed to more is, you know, your body too. Yes. What is your, what do you feel in your body? What is your body telling you? You know, where, where do you feel that in your body? Because for me, I do feel like when I was young that this part of my self became very separate from this part of myself. And I feel like all the work that I do is about bringing them back together. Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:31:23]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love the way you put that, Theresa. And. Yeah. And what we figured out, I guess, thinking, I don't know, is that to really move ourselves forward, we have to be embodied. And so connecting the head and the body. I hadn't heard it expressed quite like that.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:31:44]:
And I. Yeah, I totally agree with you that it is noticing the body sensations which are really responding in our emotional body. Body. I mean, it's kind of interesting because when we connect everything all up, we can feel it all in our body. You know, when the heart opens, you can feel that it's a felt sense.

Theresa Hubbard [00:32:08]:
Yes.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:32:08]:
So. And again, it's very counter. Typically what people are being taught.

Walker Bird [00:32:16]:
I'm. I'm interested in your experience when you are trained to help people sense into their heart. How about those people that just say, I, I'm not feeling that. I don't feel anything there.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:32:33]:
Okay. Now I will tell you, so far, I've not been told that, but one of the things I do is I have people rub their hands together so that there's a lot of warmth. And so if nothing else, they feel warm.

Walker Bird [00:32:47]:
Sure.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:32:47]:
Okay. It's a body sensation. Everybody's going to Experience that opening differently.

Walker Bird [00:32:54]:
Yes.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:32:55]:
But I think the main thing to understand is it's okay if it doesn't. If you don't feel it right away, keep doing it. Right. And then the other side, that I come in somewhat as a teacher, too, because I do have. For instance, if I. After a guided meditation, I do have my students share as they wish. I'm sure you do that in your retreats. And then I give them some insight as.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:33:23]:
As they go along and. And perhaps suggestions of ways they can work with it. And I would encourage people to, like, journal. Okay. So your heart doesn't feel open. We close our hearts up because we're scared. Right. It's not our natural state.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:33:43]:
It's. So what are the fears? And in that. In that sense, that's the cognitive part to begin to look at these fears that you can see cognitively are no longer threatening to you. Or if they are, there are different ways to work with it. But to really just let people know it's absolutely fine if they don't feel what other people feel. Basically, keep plugging away.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:20]:
Yeah, yeah.

Walker Bird [00:34:21]:
Inclining the mind, as Devon would say.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:34:26]:
What was the term?

Walker Bird [00:34:27]:
I missed that term, inclining the mind. We had a meditation teacher that we both just love. His name's Devin Barry, and he would just talk about inclining the mind.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:34:40]:
Okay. Sort of like weaving it in, just.

Walker Bird [00:34:43]:
Continuing to plug away until, you know, until it happens.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:51]:
Practicing.

Walker Bird [00:34:52]:
Yeah, practicing.

Theresa Hubbard [00:34:52]:
Practicing, Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:34:54]:
And they don't call it practice for nothing.

Walker Bird [00:34:57]:
Right, Right.

Walker Bird [00:34:59]:
The more you do, the more you can do. Right. So I just. I just loved how I put it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:35:05]:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What were you gonna say?

Walker Bird [00:35:10]:
I. You said another thing that interested me, too, Judith, which was we, Our culture is designed to keep us away from heart coherence. I mean, you didn't. That was an exact quote, but that was the gist of it because I made a note. I wanted to come back to you on that and ask you, you know, what. What do you see about, you know, in our culture that tells you that.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:35:36]:
Okay. And I'm going to use a little bit different terms.

Walker Bird [00:35:40]:
Sure.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:35:40]:
Because I think what I said was, was, you know, your soul path, which is really. You have to get heart coherence.

Walker Bird [00:35:48]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:35:49]:
To do that. But let's just make it real simple and talk about authenticity. Right. And so. Well, we can start with the media. We could start with what happens for kids in school, what happens in many families where they're not taught to. That their feelings are fine. They're told they should feel certain ways or they should think certain things.

Theresa Hubbard [00:36:14]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:36:14]:
You know, to use a. It's non organic. We try to make. We try to mold.

Theresa Hubbard [00:36:22]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:36:23]:
Human beings. And we've done a pretty successful job, which is why our world is a mess versus allowing versus you know, of course children need guidance but allowing that. That whatever they feel is okay. They don't have a right to harm somebody with their feelings or harm themselves, but to. But whatever those feelings are, are okay. So again, that's leading through the heart, through the feeling state. And our culture has been the opposite of that.

Walker Bird [00:37:00]:
Do you have any sense. I'm sorry, if you had more to say. Go ahead. Do you have any sense of why. Of why as human beings, you know, we got to that place where our culture is taking us away from what we came in as for. I mean that's shorthand for what. How you just described it, but.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:37:27]:
Right. Well, I talk a lot about what I call the dimensional descent. I think that as humans 12,000 and more, way before a lot of our history, there were many fifth we many of many humans were operating out of fifth and higher dimensional frequency. A lot of indigenous tribes were able to keep some of that depending on what happened from the outside world in. And there's many ways to say it. So one theory which is probably accurate is that the. But not the. I don't think it's the only reason.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:38:11]:
There was a lot of cataclysmic kind of trauma that went on just geologically. And so people went into trauma and shut down. So that. That's one theory. I think there are pieces of that that are accurate. I think and this is the sixth dimensional stuff. We really have created the reality, all of the realities, but we've done it mostly unconsciously and out of pain or wounding instead of out of love and intent. So that let's say you have a traumatized planet and in that trauma we begin to separate from each other.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:39:01]:
We're no longer understand that we're all interconnected and collaborative and cooperative but like well, I better fight to survive kind that survival fight comes in also collectively. And you know, this is another way to look at it is we kick the goddess out. And I don't know if you're familiar with Anadia Judith, who's written a lot of really good books, but one of the things she said that has always stayed with me is once the goddess got kicked out of the divinity, essentially we all became children of divorce and it was no longer okay to pull in the mother. Right. So this is patriarchy. It's so out of balance because it's gotten rid of the yin or the feminine piece. And again, especially in Western culture. But there appears to, you know, it wove into Eastern culture in its own, perhaps differently.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:40:03]:
But is there so. And I believe as we did that literally those DNA strands shut down. And so, you know, we weren't even playing with half attack, so to speak. We were stuck in the polarity, the. There's nothing wrong with the energy of the third dimension or the fourth dimension, but when you get stuck and you don't know how to balance, and so you go one way or the other, then you get disconnected from a larger essence and from our own essence. So really a lot of healing is deprogramming and going from there, right?

Theresa Hubbard [00:40:51]:
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting, Judith, as you're talking, I mean, I think so many things I think about keeping us controlled, you know, the population growth and the best way to keep people under control. Right. Is to take away their autonomy. And. And also as a parent, I think the biggest compliment I ever got from someone was when she experienced all four of my children. She said, I've never seen four siblings so different. And I was like, it just hit me, right? Like I've.

Theresa Hubbard [00:41:47]:
As much as I have struggled, I really want them to be who they are, not who I, you know, want them to be or need them to be. And I recognize that fight, you know, within myself and.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:42:07]:
Yeah, well, I do think that was a great compliment. I really get what you're saying about that, Theresa, because they were expressing themselves. And that piece about control. Right. It is. It's old paradigm, it's dysfunctional paradigm. Boundaries are one thing controls a whole other thing. Again, because when you talk about that inner knowing.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:42:33]:
Right. It's living from the inside out and control us from the outside in.

Theresa Hubbard [00:42:40]:
Yeah, yeah. It also makes me think about, you know, part of our practice, the mental health practices. We do neurofeedback, you know, which is helping the brain create more balance in its communication because most of us have, you know, brainwaves that are over functioning and under functioning and there isn't a lot of balance. And one of the things that I share with people often is what I witness in clients as they move through that process of neurofeedback, how I feel like they naturally become more compassionate. Yeah, yeah.

Walker Bird [00:43:21]:
Well, now you got to tell us more. Well, because I haven't heard you say that before. Yeah. I mean, and we talk a lot.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:28]:
Yeah.

Walker Bird [00:43:30]:
So I want to know. Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:43:32]:
Well, I mean, in just thinking about our conversation, you know, that. That ability to pause, you know, we're not responding from a place of training or fear. Were able to really, you know, better access. And I'm not saying it's so simple as that. It's just something that I've noticed people being able to take into account other people's perspectives or choices. Yeah. With more compassion, curiosity. Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:17]:
What are you thinking, as I said.

Walker Bird [00:44:19]:
It, that I, you know, we've talked for a long time about how neurofeedback can be the predecessor or the, you know, the start of people having a function, you know, or clean enough function in the brain to, you know, have other therapy be meaningful.

Walker Bird [00:44:40]:
And.

Walker Bird [00:44:40]:
But this is part of the process too, you know, because meditation is a tool to try to create that pause.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:48]:
Yes, yes.

Walker Bird [00:44:50]:
But that's, you know, if your. If your brain is dysregulated.

Theresa Hubbard [00:44:54]:
Right.

Walker Bird [00:44:55]:
Then neuro feedback helps get you to that point where you can start using those other tools more effectively.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:00]:
Yeah, yeah. Because I think it impacts our. Our nervous systems, too, whether it's autonomic, central. Right, right. And again, just help helping us get out of the patterns that we were trained to be in, you know, whether that was intentional or not or traumatic or injury. You know, our body, I mean, this is how I talk about it. Our body is designed to keep us alive and do as it. Do it as efficiently as possible, you know.

Theresa Hubbard [00:45:31]:
You know, from an energy conservation perspective, it's not thinking, I wonder how this is going to impact Theresa's day. Right. Like, Nope, nope. And so, yeah, so for me, the work, I mean, part of it is, you know, helping train my body and brain in the ways that, you know, work well for my body and brain. And so I always say I'm experimenting and practicing. I'm experimenting and practicing, trying to find the things and the ways that help me, you know, live in a way that is more present and intentional and compassionate and curious. And so that's why I'm always experimenting, because I just think, like you were saying earlier, you know, we all need different ways of getting there.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:46:27]:
I, you know, I've not experienced neurofeedback, although I've heard amazing things. And I was so trying to get my grandson, who so needs it, but as things just never quite came together on it. But it makes sense to me when you say that people become more compassionate, Theresa, because when we're in balance and we have a natural calm, then the heart can just spontaneously open.

Theresa Hubbard [00:46:52]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:46:53]:
So, you know, again, it sounds like. And it. And while it's, you know, I'm sure we can achieve that through meditation and other things that are similar.

Theresa Hubbard [00:47:05]:
Yes.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:47:05]:
The fact that this can be done in a more scientific way and in some ways in a more effortless way. Right. Because the machine helps you align is, from what I understand.

Theresa Hubbard [00:47:23]:
Right.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:47:23]:
I mean, that's awesome. And really seems to me to be an important evolutionary step. You know, when I was in graduate school in the 70s and they weren't doing brain studies, so we did. It was a great time in the sense everything was experiential. And, you know, there's a lot of experimentation and openness. So that part was awesome. But I don't have much of a background as they've been beginning to really study the brain from a what I would say an evolved perspective, not just physical, chemical perspective, but it. It's exciting, but I do feel excited about it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:09]:
Yeah, you need to, Judith. Yeah. It's so complex. Way beyond, I think, our comprehension, actually.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:48:19]:
Yeah.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:22]:
Well, the time goes by so quickly. It does.

Walker Bird [00:48:26]:
I can talk to you for like five more hours, actually. I'm like. I've got 10 more questions so I can bite my lip to give Theresa a chance to get it. It's just been lovely, Judith. Thank you so much.

Theresa Hubbard [00:48:37]:
It is.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:48:38]:
Thank you. And I would love to come back. You know, I've got another book coming out and it's always an interesting process with publishing because I turned the finished, not fully edited, but finished manuscript in at the end of April, and I'm still waiting. I mean, they let me know they have it and, you know, we've done a little bit, but they're going to probably change the tit title. Supposed to find out, I hope, any day now. Right. What the title and the cover is going to be and when the release date is. But right now I'm just kind of in limbo about it because I can't even tell people the name of it.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:49:17]:
I can tell you mine. What I've called it is Entering Earth's New Reality. But whether the publisher will use that title or not, I mean, it's Inner Traditions and they're wonderful and they're going to let me give feedback if I don't like what they. What they. But I can't talk about it. So.

Theresa Hubbard [00:49:34]:
Yeah. So what would I be. Two things. What would you like to share about the work you're doing right now and your latest book, not the one that's coming, but the last one. And then if there was an intention or a mantra, you would like to share with the people that are Listening, what you hope for, for us all. What might those things be?

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:50:08]:
Okay, I'm not sure I can answer that separately. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. What has always driven me, really, since I was a teenager, was wanting to create a better world. And of course, the excitement. The excitement that went on in the 60s and 70s, was we thought we could then and there. Right. And. And some good changes happen.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:50:35]:
Not enough. And. And, you know, we don't grow linearly. We grow in a spiral. So, you know, activating your 5D frequency is helping people navigate the shift that's going on collectively now, should they choose. But I also give a lot of images and ideas of what a new world could look like. Because if we don't have a vision.

Theresa Hubbard [00:51:08]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:51:08]:
And you know, it's not. Doesn't have to be static because we don't. It will grow, it'll shift. But. But yeah, I think that everybody, I, Practically everybody on the planet longs for peace and harmony.

Theresa Hubbard [00:51:22]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:51:23]:
They may believe you have to fight to get it right or that you can't trust anybody. I mean, there are things that stand in the way. But wouldn't it be wonderful if everybody had a good life and felt good? Right. We're all part of each other. It helps everybody. So that has been in many ways a driving force for me as well as, you know, having gone through my own and. Oh, still, of course, going through personal healing and coming to more and more a place of. I mean, having my life.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:52:03]:
Right. It's the only one I can control. I can model, but it's the only one I can control in not a outward control way, but from the inside out in terms of a mantra. Let me see what pops in. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna go in.

Walker Bird [00:52:26]:
Awesome.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:52:27]:
And see what pops in. So, I mean, this is it. It's not something I would cognitively choose, but what came was love yourself and all others.

Theresa Hubbard [00:52:45]:
Yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:52:46]:
It's really. It really is about opening the heart, trusting the heart, and knowing how to protect yourself, but knowing that that energy in and of itself is actually. When it's really flowing, it's actually protected because it's powerful. People, you know, negative intention will go away rather than be able to harm them. So that would be how I'd end it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:15]:
Thank you.

Walker Bird [00:53:16]:
Thank you so much.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:17]:
Yeah, that's lovely. Thank you, Judith. And we will. When. So when is your book supposed to be released?

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:53:23]:
Well, I'm waiting to find out. I'm thinking it's going to be next fall.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:28]:
Next fall?

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:53:29]:
I should know soon.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:31]:
Okay. But I will stay in touch.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:53:34]:
Yeah, yeah, that would be great, Theresa, to stay in touch. And I'm always happy to come back to something like this if you know what we're all doing. And again, there are so many people doing such good pieces and yes, you get to interview them.

Theresa Hubbard [00:53:50]:
Yeah, yeah. It's so great, Judith. Yeah, yeah.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:53:59]:
So you know it's happening. I'm sure you feel that and whatever, you know, however I can support and do my piece of it.

Theresa Hubbard [00:54:10]:
So yeah, thank you.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:54:11]:
And you guys are great. So it's fun to talk to you.

Walker Bird [00:54:14]:
Thanks, you too.

Theresa Hubbard [00:54:15]:
Thank you.

Walker Bird [00:54:16]:
Hope you have a great afternoon.

Judith Corvin-Blackburn [00:54:17]:
You too. Okay, bye.

Theresa Hubbard [00:54:21]:
Thank you for joining us today. We are excited to explore life with you. We encourage curiosity, self growth and we strive to be more compassionate every day.